Settings Tab organization

I like this idea and hope that @lubos considers it as we also have groupings under customization and reports so why not under settings. I had a draft stab at it just yet, see below:

Basic settings

  • Base Currency
  • Business Details
  • Business Logo
  • Date & Number Format
  • Divisions
  • Email Settings
  • Start Date
  • Tax Codes

Customization

  • Email Templates
  • Form Defaults
  • Non-inventory Items
  • Payslip Items
  • Report Transformations
  • Themes

Users

  • User Permissions
  • Customer Portals

Accounts

  • Chart of Accounts
  • Control Accounts
  • Capital subaccounts

Bank and Cash

  • Payment Rules
  • Receipt Rules
  • Exchange Rates
  • Foreign Currencies

Transactions

  • Lock Date
  • Recurring Journal Entries
  • Recurring Payslips
  • Recurring Purchase Invoices
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I always expand out the groups as I find it harder to remember how the visual designer has decided to group the functions.

Just naming things which least to most specific achieves much the same thing

  • Currencies Foreign
  • Currency Base
  • Date lock
  • Date Start
  • Email Settings
  • Email Templates
  • Recurring Journal entries
  • Recurring Payslips
  • Recurring Sales invoices
  • Rules Payments
  • Rules Receipts
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I would move divisions inside accounts (maybe changing names), tax codes inside customization and lock date in basic settings.

Under mac os groups are not collapsed at all… they are only ordered in categories

I did not advocate for collapsing groups, I just support the idea of grouping / categorizing as we do for example in Customize and Report tabs.

I agree

There will be more settings as more features are introduced. It is therefore a good idea to introduce groups in the settings tab.
Added to ideas.

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Good idea :+1:

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this Idea Will Help Users To Find Settings Very Easily. they Need not to Hower On all Settings To Find What They Want to edit But They Find Easily if Settings Are grouped.
I Hope This Ides Will Be implemented Soon.

The latest version (22.8.6) is improving settings tab so similar items are grouped together.

So far I’ve done following…

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  • Base currency
  • Foreign currencies
  • Exchange rates

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  • Recurring journal entries
  • Recurring sales invoices
  • Recurring purchase invoices
  • Recurring payslips

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  • Payment rules
  • Receipt rules

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  • Smtp Server
  • Email Templates

I’m only going to group related items where it’s obvious. I’m not trying to create arbitrary groups to try pigeonhole all items into them. It should still be very obvious where everything is without thinking about it.

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I replied in error noticing that things are grouped but it now is confusing to a certain extend because you do not know which one is rolled up and which one is standalone. Only by clicking you know.

What we need is to reduce number of items at the top level of Settings tab so you can easily find the item you are after.

You will develop muscle memory eventually when you know Recurring Sales Invoices are under Recurring Transactions. Or Payment Rules are under Bank Rules etc…

Legacy features → Obsolete features :rofl: Trying to persuade us to move away from the internal PDF generator! Although, once there it says Settings > LegacyFeatures — Edit at the top

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Yes for many like myself the PDF generator remains very useful and is definitely not obsolete. We send emails to suppliers and customers with perfect PDF files straight from Manager as it is supposed to do without first having to save as PDF and then attach to an email using an email application.

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May I say that I don’t like it at all? I think that groups like my proposal are more linear…

I agree grouping like items in settings is a good idea.
I would prefer they were displayed fully expanded. The advantage of doing so is it is

  • quicker to find something when the user is unsure how it has been grouped
  • quicker to use
  • scales better to when most tabs are not enabled
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I find the current groupings very logical, so have no problem with them. However, perhaps those with sub-items could be highlighted in some way to indicate one needs to drill down a level. It would save clicking on each setting item to check that their aren’t items below.

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I support the idea as well. In addition, having a search function would be really useful if we hide elements in subgroups. Then we all could develop muscle memory to find things much faster.

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I agree with others that I am not convinced that collapsing groups is optimal for two reasons.

One - Currently you cannot see what is a group such as Bank Rules and what will open a form. If you think of the context of folders and files - there has always been a visual distinction between the two. I would say that this is the biggest failing of the current new design.

Two - It is very seldom that one would need to do anything in the Settings Section. Collapsing the options within folders just means more clicks to get to the option I want. Another failing of the collapsed approach here is that it’s not easy to see in one glance any new settings that have been added. I would have to open up folder to see if there are any new settings! I honestly believe that the optimal approach would be very similar to the imac picture at the top of this post.

Failing that, at fix issue one and add the following to groups as there are still too many options in settings to make it easy to find the setting you are looking for quickly meaning the original issue remains unresolved:

Inventory Kits, Inventory Locations and Non-Inventory to Inventory Management
Business Details and Business Logo to Business Information
Chart of Accounts and Control Accounts to Accounts

I would also request that when you click on Custom Fields, the view that comes up looks like Form Defaults. It will be much easier to find the Custom Field that you are looking for if it is in a list like Form Defaults. Second, it would be more consistent. Same request for Cash Flow Statement Groups and Control Accounts.

I would request that you re-consider the option to create collapsible groups for the navigation menu as discussed in this topic - Manager Navigation Feedback The navigation menu is simply too long and several tabs I hardly ever use. Collapsible Navigation would make far more sense than collapsible folders in Settings.

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In the latest version (22.8.22), the Settings screen is improved further so unused items are in its separate section.

And it works when drilling-down into individual screens too.

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