Project Profit Display Issue

We generated 12313 usd revenue for this project, and the cost is 3714 usd. It seems Revenue account should not be classified as Expenses, with a negative - sign. Although the profit is right, but this display is weird, not normal practice. Should I set some preferences to change this display or there may be bugs? For the entire company’s Profit and Loss Statement, the display is correct. But not the project display.

Need some help.

Thanks

Hello @Eric_Chiang,

Welcome to the forum.

We could start troubleshooting this issue by going to Settings > Chart of Accounts and locating this Group Fees Revenue account.

From there, please share a screenshot of the Edit screen of said account.

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@Eric_Chiang you can edit the Group Fees Revenue account under the Chart of Accounts and change it from an Expenses Account to an Income Account. This will display it as a positive income account instead of a negative expense account.

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Hey Ealfardan

Thanks for you reply. This is the screen shot of Chart of Account, which shown I have already classified Group Fees Revenue as of Sub Revenue account correctly.

So, what’s the problem? Do I set something wrong?

and for the Edit button, it shown as follows

I don’t know why I get the negative sign. already classified Group Fees Revenue as Revenue Account

@tony Hey Tony, pls see the replies. Seems everything preference is okay. but still negative sign and maybe, Group Fees Revenue name contains Fees, which lead to this wrong classification. :joy:

Can you show the edit screen of one of the transactions?

The name of the account has nothing to do with classification

Also, the report you have shown is different from the Chart of Accounts - if it is from the same business, then the Profit & Loss account follows the Chart of Account layout

Hey @Joe91

this transaction is recorded as follows

The screen shot I provided above of course coming from the same business. The Project Profit form not necessarily shown all the accounts contained in the Chart of Account.

@Eric_Chiang Please first check if the Group Fees Revenue account shown in your profit and loss statement is is same to the one shown in chart of account

May be you duplicated and you are using for transections the one in the expense group Ruther than income group account

Hey @mcloudaccountinglink

Thanks for your recommendation, I double checked the Chart of Accounts, there seems no duplicates of account, and the Group Fees Revenue account shown in the Profit and Loss statement is identical to the account in Chart of Accounts.

Hey @Ealfardan

In my opinion, maybe something went wrong here

Seems this edit page of Revenue preference linked to expenses by system default, although I set revenue belong to income group. Just maybe.

Using Journal entries without knowing what you are actually doing is the cause of this issue. It is better to try to always use invoices and/or receipts and payments. You Credit the revenue, which is the opposite as it should be Debit (destination of the funds) and the Bank should be Credit (soure of the Funds). I would advise to delve a bit deeper and use https://www.accountingcoach.com/debits-and-credits/explanation to get more familiar when in the accounting equation a debit and credit applies.

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It could be that, but only you can tell if that was the case.

So, is that the case? :grimacing:

If so, does setting it back to Income group fix it for you?

Hey @eko

Thanks for your reply.

We received a wire transfer of 12313 USD, so we record as follows

Debit Bank Deposit 12313

Credit Group Fees Revenue 12313

Is this wrong? What you have said confused me a lot. When we generated revenue, we credit revenue account, as well as debit cash account or bank deposit account. This is the very process the link you provided teaches. I think I am not get lost of debit or credit. If I’m wrong, please explain further.

What you said I think helpful to me is that, use invoices or receipts will be better, but for small size company, what I did in the accounting entry is the easy way. And even if I didn’t use the invoices and receipts, the outcome shouldn’t be different.

Hey @Ealfardan

No, either classify Group Fees Revenue to Income Group or subgroup of Revenue, the outcome is the same, with this account shows negative sign in Project Profit form.

What actually weird is that, for the Profit and Loss Statement of the Company, everything is correct. This only happens in the Project Profit form.

Yes! Rather than spelling it out, I already explained it should be reversed. Use some AI like Grok or Chatgpt, upload the journal entry screenshot and explain what you did and ask if it is wrong and what to do to correct it.

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Thank you @eko

Already found the reason. It is not misuse of debit or credit as a means of recording. Actually, if you want to use modules like Project, you need to launch Receipts and Payments modules as well. Otherwise, the Project outcome will not be correctly shown. I set up a test account and launch the above modules, everything shown correctly.

If someone don’t like to use the modules, it goes well in every aspect. It seems manager.io has it’s internal logic to link different modules.

@Eric_Chiang you are correct I was able to reproduce the same error. I tested it by accounting for income through journal entries and got the same result as you. I have categorized your post as a bug.

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Respectfully, there is nothing wrong with the way in which the journal was processed. Revenue should be a credit entry.

The problem is that the sales figure is based on the summary of your Sales Invoices tab.

However, don’t worry @Morne_Kruger, since this has already been considered as a bug so this should be corrected.