So what are you saying, that one can’t introduce concepts or suggestions that haven’t been previously mentioned within a topic, if that is the case, I look forwarded to your own compliance with the “Nothing was ever mentioned” within your own posts.
Otherwise, you expose yourself to the exact same criticism that you just made of my post.
@Tut just for your information, when im comparing most accounting software with a manager:
importing purchase invoices (xml, european invoice standard) - row by row
importing expense claims (xml, european invoice standard) - row by row
exporting sales invoices (xml, european invoice standard) - row by row
sending sales invoices directly to the customers accounting system (its MANDATORY by the public authorities even then, when invoice amount is 1 euro, you cant also send any invoice on the paper by the post, it will be rejected)
sending all tax reports ONLY electronically (xml, thats mean from the accounting software to the tax office), there are NO possibilities to send tax reports manually or on the paper
the tax office will also receive a list of all invoices exceeding 1,000 euros or if the amount of all purchases exceeds 1,000 euros, so thats mean all my purchases or expense claims HAVE TO BE 1 to 1, if there are some difference the company immediately has a high risk of tax control - NOBODY wants that!
we are importing bank reports DIRECTLY from the bank and also exporting all the payments in the same way (i even dont need to push any buttons, its automatically done when im logging into the system)
its possible to read all kind on invoices directly from the email and all the attachments are saved automatically to the transactions
The only reason why im using manager, are small companies, who are doing just some transactions during the month. And its really important to have all documents 1 by 1 also by the rows.
Also as i mentoined ealier, there are NO regulations by the IFRS or US GAAP that will support your view. Cos your view means: expense claimer collects ALL the documents > creates a report > accounting will enter amounts as ONE expense claim. But the logic in Manager are different from it: you have to enter all the documents one by one.
I also know of no “regulations” in IFRS or GAAP that contradict my view. In the first place, neither IFRS nor GAAP is a regulation. They are standards that set out principles that can govern practices. In some jurisdictions, they may be referenced by law. But they do not dictate the type of rigid, fully electronic system you have described for Estonia. They do not prescribe exact processes.
Your justification also lacks an important factor. Since an expense claim records expenditures of a payer’s personal funds for company purposes, how and why would the tax authority be matching a tax invoice issued to the payer with a transaction in a separate business’ records? For example, Employee A of Company X buys an airline ticket for company travel from Estonian Air (EA). EA sends a copy of the tax invoice to the authority. How does the authority know Employee A bought the ticket for business travel rather than personal holiday? And where would the authority obtain Company X’s expense claim from Employee A?
Of course, if the tax authority decided to audit Company X’s records, they might ask to see documentation proving that Employee A actually bought the ticket, that the trip was for a business purpose, and so forth. But that expense claim might also have line items for a hotel stay, meals at restaurants, rental cars, train tickets, and other things. There is no reason to expect a one-to-one match between the expense claim and Estonian Air’s tax invoice. And the hotel bill Employee A received and submitted might also have laundry service on it that Employee A did not claim because Company X’s policy does not reimburse for laundry expenses.
My original point was that expecting one-to-one correspondence between third-parties’ tax invoices and expense claims is very unusual. And excluding non-business items from expense claims that happen to appear on documentation is not.
My question then, when you know that there are no regulations why you are against it? Why you are forcing your point of view? The only reason that you have given earlier, that “there could be confusion”. You havent give any other reasons.
In the accounting are many principes:
the principle of comprehensibility - yes, every accountant understands that if something is written in a passive debit, that then it reduces the liability
principle of materiality - the accounts must reflect all material information that affects the financial position, financial performance of the accounting entity
principle of objectivity - the information provided in the accounts must be neutral and reliable
disclosure principle - the accounts provide all the information necessary to obtain a true and fair view
the principle of the primacy of content - the recognition of economic transactions in the accounts and financial statements is based on their content, even if it does not correspond to their legal form
Cos EA and Company X need to send a lists from the invoices when the invoice amount or the purchases/sales where more then 1000 euro.
I have that explained soon ealier! There has to be a match.
Specially by the taxes there has to be matching, there is only usually by the input vat excemptions.
If you did not understand something, I will be happy to explain to you how and how transactions can be accounted for.