# 3rd Party Payroll recording **URL:** \ **Category:** Uncategorized\ **Created:** [May 8, 2018, 10:25pm UTC](https://forum.manager.io/t/3rd-party-payroll-recording/15812 "2018-05-08T22:25:16Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 4\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![steve\_ring](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bc79bd/32.png) [@steve\_ring](https://forum.manager.io/u/steve_ring)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2018, 10:25pm UTC](https://forum.manager.io/t/3rd-party-payroll-recording/15812/1 "2018-05-08T22:25:16Z")
Hi Sorry if creating a post already created. I love manager for recording income, expenses and Vat returns etc of my business… But I use Sage payroll… What would be the best way to record the Payroll expenses paid through Sage on Manager. I read that it should be “lump Sum” recording but unsure… Should I just create the employees and pay slip categories on manager and input the figures from sage manually… Seem long winded… Unfortunately I need to stick with Sage… Any help to account for wages paid using 3rd party programs would be appreciated… Kind Regards Steve ---
**Author:** ![Joe91](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.manager.io/joe91/32/35781_2.png) [@Joe91](https://forum.manager.io/u/Joe91)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2018, 10:40pm UTC](https://forum.manager.io/t/3rd-party-payroll-recording/15812/2 "2018-05-08T22:40:20Z")
No, I wouldn’t go to effort of setting up employees as I presume that you handle all their payments in Sage. Just set up your expense accounts (wages, etc) and your liabilities accounts (tax, national insurance/PRSI/social contributions, etc) and then do a Spend Money transaction with the total amounts each month Debit wages Credit tax due Credit National Insurance Credit bank I think that’s the way I’d handle it - maybe others will have a different view ---
**Author:** ![Joe91](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.manager.io/joe91/32/35781_2.png) [@Joe91](https://forum.manager.io/u/Joe91)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2018, 10:44pm UTC](https://forum.manager.io/t/3rd-party-payroll-recording/15812/3 "2018-05-08T22:44:14Z")
Another way would be to set up an employee X who represents all your employees. Then you could set up payslip items to cover the wages, deductions & contributions you make. Then do 1 payslip per month to cover all your employees using the summary totals from Sage. That might give a clearer view of the transactions than the “Spend Money” I advocated in the last reply Also, how will you handle employee expense claims, if you have any? ---
**Author:** ![Ealfardan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.manager.io/ealfardan/32/63166_2.png) [@Ealfardan](https://forum.manager.io/u/Ealfardan)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2023, 3:11pm UTC](https://forum.manager.io/t/3rd-party-payroll-recording/15812/4 "2023-01-18T15:11:42Z")